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SCARE CANYON RANCH ASSOCIATION

September 21, 2007 Board Meeting

Weber County Library, Ogden UT

Meeting began at 6:10 p.m.

Derek Hunwick, SCRA President, conducted the meeting.

Board Members Present:

Derek Hunwick                       Kathy Rochell, Secretary       Kerry Dykester, Absent

Monte Matue                          Mary Lou Heslop, Treasurer  Blair Lierd, Absent

Randy Rochell

Tom Whitaker

Excused Board Members:                                                      Invited Visitors:                    

Donald Todd, Jr.                                                                     David Pugmire

Doug Stuart                                                                            Ryan Leishman

OLD BUSINESS:

1.  Mary Lou passed out the Financial Report for August 2007.

2.  Kathy Rochell passed out the July 2007 Board Meeting Minutes and they were approved.

3.  Discussion on the upper spring taking its natural course during 1 Nov to 1 Jun each year.  This is dictated by the state and Cache County.  Failure to comply can result in SCRA losing its water rights. We are limited to 27.4 acre feet of water each year. 

a.  The new landowners of the Bob Allred/Cotton Rosser cabin have agreed to allow SCRA to hook up to the overflow so we can shut it down in November.  Ray Gibbons put a meter in.  Bill Amundsen is not sure where the line is hooked up.  We need to get it taken care of so we have no problem with the state.

            b.  Tom said the overflow comes out of the tank which goes through the meter and could register that we use too much water.  Monte recommended we move the meter to measure just what we use on the outlet.  Discussed ways to correct the problem.    Randy said he thought Ray Gibbons used to shut off the water each fall.

4.  Ron Hill has not responded to the letter sent to him requesting he comply with our Bylaws.  Monte said he does have a tank.  Randy said he understands the valves are shut.  Derek said they’ve been turned on since the rainfall. 

            a.  Randy said we should give Ron some leeway since he does provide security and he put in the original water lines.

            b.  Derek said since Ron is running a live line, every time we try to figure where water is gone, Ron is always taking water off the top.  The spring is producing about 400 gallons since the rainfall.  Water should be in the tank, but there isn’t any.  The meter has stopped running.  Monte said that the people over the hill all have storage tanks, but if Ron constantly draws with a live line, they will never get water over the hill.  Randy said you have to have an overflow.  He also said the best place for the storage tank is at the top of the hill.  Derek said Ken Love wouldn’t allow them to put an underground tank on his property.  Randy said we should have a right of way and be able to put a tank where we want to.  Randy said if the spring is even producing a small amount, the tank should be full.  Derek said if we have a heavy rainfall, there is water from the spring.   

c.  Monte has concerns that there could be a liability issue if SCRA allows Ron to have a live line.

            d.  Tom said Ron voted to agree with Bylaws so he himself should have to comply.  Derek said we just want Ron to make a commitment to do something.  Derek said he’d send a notice out in the November President’s letter that everyone needs to comply.

            e.  Randy made a motion to give Ron until mid next summer to comply.  Tom seconded motion to give Ron to end of June next summer.  The motion was approved.

NEW BUSINESS

1.  Discussion on Security for Hunting.

            a.  Tony Fox agreed to have his cabin be the focal point for the deputies.

b.    The deputies asked for clarification of the areas where people can hunt.  They were given a copy of the maps from the Hideout folks showing those areas that are no longer open for hunting.

            c.  Randy asked if the deputies have been in the area yet.  The deputies said yes. Randy said we’d like them to be there for the three major hunting seasons.

            c.  They do have security signs for two vehicles.  Gave the deputies 4-wheeler Security Decals and the list of the Board Members in case they need to contact anyone.  Randy said he had two additional sets of security signs and would leave them at Tony Fox’s cabin for them to use.  They said four sets of security signs would be fine.

            d.  In addition to David Pugmie and Ryan Leishman, there will be two other deputies helping, i.e., Mark Stauffer and Dave Welker.

            e.  Deputies were asked to keep a notebook of things they did.  Tom said we would like to have them give us a report of what they accomplished.  They were asked to look for windshield stickers on the vehicles and yellow hunting permits.  Tom asked what the deputy would do if someone is up there without a permit.  Ryan said they’ll find out who they’re with and ask them to leave.  Monte said if they won’t leave without confrontation, they could call someone.

            f.  They want to have a box so anyone can put a note in it for the deputies if someone sees something wrong. Board agreed to put a locked box at the second gate so people can report on issues.

             g.  Randy asked what they can do on the spot if they catch someone doing something wrong.  Deputies said the courts have limited the scope of what they can do.  They can make contact, get names, give tickets for DUI, ask them to leave. 

            g.  David Pugmire asked what SCRA is going to do to those who have been identified in their report.  The board responded that depending on the offense, take away keys, contact the landowners, maybe even notify the Fish and Game.

            h.  Discussion on property being properly posted.  The correct way is to have all four corners plus both sides of the road or streams posted.  Monte said SCRA isn’t properly posted.

Break 7:45 – 8:00

7.  Derek asked the board whether to pay the deputies $600 plus give them hunting permits for doing security.  The $600 includes the $200 Blair has promised to reimburse SCRA from the Hideout.  It would be split between the four deputies.  Monte made the motion to pay the deputies.  Tom seconded and the motion was passed.

8.  Derek said a member is asking for a listing of the number of hunt permits issued per lot number.  He checked and could find no place where the board has taken a position on that request.  The Fish and Game do not give out the information anymore.   Monte said so far we have given out 146 permits.  The board agreed that giving out the total number of permits is all right, but not per lot because of the privacy act.  Randy motioned that we deny the request.  Tom seconded.

9.  We have had complaints from three different individuals regarding bullets shot through the trees in Mountain Quakes.  Randy asked what we can do about it.  Tom said it should go directly to the Sheriff rather than having the board confront them.  Whoever is complaining knows who is causing the problem.  Monte said the person complaining should talk to the people causing the problem first.  If it happens again, let the Sheriff know.  Derek asked if we should put something in the bylaws about no shooting in Mountain Quakes.  Randy said he’s afraid we’ll place the Association liable if there’s a problem and we put something in the bylaws and have no way to enforce it.

10.  The hydraulic manifold on the grader needs rebuilt.  Estimated cost is $1400.  Tom motioned to approve the funding.  Randy seconded the motion.  Board approved.

11.  Discussion on paying someone for reporting lightning strikes and fires.  Derek said he thought we have given out a $25 reward in the past.  Board voted no we won’t pay for reporting fires.

12.  Discussion on Kent Whiteman’s letter posted on the web.  Derek asked if we want to do this in the future.  Board agreed not to post personal letters on web site in the future.

13.  Discussed SCRA paying for the governing board to have a Christmas social at a nice restaurant each year since they spend so much time doing SCRA related tasks.  Monte recommended SCRA pay $50 per board member and their spouse.  It was approved. Date selected is Dec 6, 2007.  Tom agreed to make the arrangements at the Prairie Schooner.

Meeting adjourned at 8:55 p.m.

Kathy Rochell

SCRA Secretary

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